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Americans Need to Work Less
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Question: How can we address the current problem of high
unemployment?Juliet Schor: We've got 26 million people who are
unemployed, underemployed, marginally attached in the labor force. We'd
have to be generating half a million jobs a month for almost two years
just to get back to where we were before the crash. That's a level of
job creation that is absolutely unrealistic and the current discourse
about how to get there is woefully inadequate.
The current discourse is saying, number one, cut the deficit, which will
further undermine demand and job growth. Plus its view is, "Well, let's
just try and get the economy growing and the jobs will some how trickle
down to the people who need them." That's not the way mass
unemployment, which is what we've got today has ever been solved. And to
add to that, there's a dimension of this that hasn't been recognized in
the conversation that this country is having, which is that we have
created a powerful barrier to job creation in the way we've structured
hours of work. For about 75, almost 100 years, beginning in the late
19th century, the country took a significant portion of its economic
progress, of its productivity in the form of shorter hours of work. So,
it grew, it had increasing income, but also workers got shorter
schedules. We got Saturdays off, we got eventually moved down to
something like an eight-hour workday, the concept of a 40-hour work
week. Now that's a completely normal thing to happen and all of the
wealthy countries went on this path. We would never have been
able to reabsorb all of the labor that gets displaced in the ordinary
operation of the capitalist economy if we hadn't done that because
productivity growth is always generating reduced demand for labor, we
have industrial restructuring that's going on all the time. Some
products get popular; others decline, so we've got to have a way of
reabsorbing the people who are laid off in the normal course of the
market economy. If you don't have reductions in hours, it's almost
impossible to keep your population fully employed. Which means
that when we try to create a job in this country, we've got to generate
somewhere between sort of 10% and 20% more revenue in sales for every
job than European countries have to. So, it's a real barrier to job
creation. If we had shorter hours of work, if we were able to take
productivity growth, overtime in the form of shorter hours, we could
re-employ those 26 million under- and unemployed people much more
rapidly.
Question: What would be some of the benefits of this newfound time?Juliet Schor: For individuals who want to really secure their
economic futures, I think where the most important principles going
forward is going to be diversification. Diversification of your income
sources of how you meet your daily needs, and diversification in terms
of where you invest. And this gets us back to that principle of what is
wealth, and a broader notion of wealth which includes wealth in the
planet, it includes money wealth, of course, but also wealth in people.
If we invest in relationships with other people, that becomes a source
of wealth.
So this brings us back to the question of time use. If people are able
to work fewer hours in the labor market, it means they can take that
freed-up time and begin meeting needs in new ways which reduce their
necessity to depend on that market. That market, which as I argue is
going to be less stable and less lucrative. So, for example, in the
book I look at people who are involved in a variety of things called
high-tech self-providing, but basically making and doing for themselves
outside of formal market structure. They might be growing vegetables,
they might be raising chickens, they may be generating electricity on a
small scale off the grid, they may have solar collectors on their roof,
or a backyard windmill. They may be involved in sharing schemes so they
don't have to lay out as much money to get appliances or cars or other
forms of transports because they may be sharing with their neighbors and
creating economic interdependencies that are going to serve them well
when times are a little bit rocky.Recorded on June 2, 2010Interviewed by Jessica Liebman
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